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Tesla Roadster Could this be the first Tesla Roadster?

May 23, 2017

Tzero Story

Tesla Motors was created based on inspiration provided by an electric sports car, called the Tzero.  It was developed by a small company called AC Propulsion Systems founded by Alan Cocconi in San Dimas, California in 1992.  Armed with federal grant money to build an electric sports car, they revealed three Tzero cars in 1997 which was a fully electric sports car with performance specs rivaling high performance exotics of the time.  In fact, legend has it that one of these cars beat a supercar from that era, the Lamborghini Countach.

Only three were built using three phase AC Induction Motors, and Optima Spiral Wound lead acid batteries, in the space normally occupied by doors.  There were a total of 28 of these 12 volt batteries, twelve in each door cavity, and four mounted in the rear behind the seats, underneath the power inverter.

An all electric drivetrain was merged into a Piontek Sportech fiberglass kit car.  To get into the car, required climbing over the stationary doors, and settling into Recaro racing seats.

Only one Tzero would be converted to Lithium Ion batteries extending the 80 mile range to 240, commissioned by Martin Eberhart, one of the two early founders of Tesla Motor Company.  This upgraded Tzero set the design criteria for the Tesla Roadster which had almost identical specs with a 240 mile range and 4 second 0-60.

In 2017, Gruber Motor Company (GMC) acquired the only functioning Tzero left, which was paraded to EV events, on display at Gruber Motor Company at their Phoenix Arizona research and test facility, and used to reverse engineer early EV analog technology.  A fire destroyed the building it was housed in along with seven Tesla Roadster May 5, 2017.

The Tzero was the inspiration for the Tesla Roadster, and it was actually what was shown to investors to get support to move forward with the Roadster.  AC Propulsion supplied the initial analog electronics and drivetrain for the Roadster before Tesla decided to convert the electronics to digital and create their own proprietary powertrain.

I had the privilege of driving this unique car.  It was way ahead of its time with V2G (Vehicle to Grid) capability, and variable regenerative braking, and I found myself using the maximum setting rarely needing a brake pedal.

Driving the Tzero was much like my daily driver Roadster at the time. The car was nimble, responsive, and would pin you into the Recaro Racing Seats in a heartbeat.   The car generated attention and a myriad of questions wherever it went.

A humorous sidenote is that the Tzero’s sported a trailer hitch.  Although quite capable from a torque and power standpoint of towing, the purpose of the trailer hitch was to pull a 500 CC Kawasaki Engine Generator  to provide DC power in case the battery range was exhausted.  The trailer was called the “Long Ranger”.  While in use, any zero carbon advantage was of course erased.   This EV was designed in 1997, well before charging stations.

Another interesting Tzero event story is a run up Pikes Peak, for the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb, with a paved track measuring 12.42 miles.

Electric cars have featured on and off in the PPIHC since the early 1980s, and the Tzero set out to once again prove an EV could make the climb.  Reaching the summit was uneventful and the Tzero did a marvelous job of propelling itself up the 12 mile course, but depleted most of its charge needed for the descent.  A ranger station at the summit provided an AC outlet and the car was left to charge for a few hours.

Upon starting the descent, it became apparent the regenerative braking, which was fixed, would be active the entire way down, overcharging and boiling already top charged lead acid batteries.

To solve the dilemna, the driver spent the next two hours driving in circles in a summit parking lot to again discharge the batteries before making the descent.

Why are there two batteries in a Roadster?

The two batteries in a Roadster are a traction battery, or ESS pack which provides propulsion and range, and an instrumentation battery which supplies power to everything else, the displays, all interior electronics, door and trunk locks, window mechanisms, fans, seat heaters, headlights, signals, wiper motor, audio equipment, camera, etc.

You might ask why select a battery technology from 1859 in a state-of-the-art car that utilizes current Lithium Ion battery tech? The primary reason is that old school lead acid batteries will not freeze and can safely charge and discharge safely over an incredibly wide temperature range without being damaged. That’s not true of lithium chemistries.

This small instrumentation battery resides in a crawl space in the front passenger fender and was originally an Absorbent Glass Mat (AGM) Maintenance-Free Motorcycle battery.

Accessibility is poor and a higher grade AGM battery reduces replacement frequency. We recommend replacing this battery every two years with newer technology GPS Hi-Rate Series punch grid plate design batteries instead of the old cast grid plate Motorcycle style for maximum life and performance.


Could this be the first Tesla Roadster? May 23, 2017

Tzero Story

Tesla Motors was created based on inspiration provided by an electric sports car, called the Tzero.  It was developed by a small company called AC Propulsion Systems founded by Alan Cocconi in San Dimas, California in 1992.  Armed with federal grant money to build an electric sports car, they revealed three Tzero cars in 1997 which was a fully electric sports car with performance specs rivaling high performance exotics of the time.  In fact, legend has it that one of these cars beat a supercar from that era, the Lamborghini Countach.

Only three were built using three phase AC Induction Motors, and Optima Spiral Wound lead acid batteries, in the space normally occupied by doors.  There were a total of 28 of these 12 volt batteries, twelve in each door cavity, and four mounted in the rear behind the seats, underneath the power inverter.

An all electric drivetrain was merged into a Piontek Sportech fiberglass kit car.  To get into the car, required climbing over the stationary doors, and settling into Recaro racing seats.

Only one Tzero would be converted to Lithium Ion batteries extending the 80 mile range to 240, commissioned by Martin Eberhart, one of the two early founders of Tesla Motor Company.  This upgraded Tzero set the design criteria for the Tesla Roadster which had almost identical specs with a 240 mile range and 4 second 0-60.

In 2017, Gruber Motor Company (GMC) acquired the only functioning Tzero left, which was paraded to EV events, on display at Gruber Motor Company at their Phoenix Arizona research and test facility, and used to reverse engineer early EV analog technology.  A fire destroyed the building it was housed in along with seven Tesla Roadster May 5, 2017.

The Tzero was the inspiration for the Tesla Roadster, and it was actually what was shown to investors to get support to move forward with the Roadster.  AC Propulsion supplied the initial analog electronics and drivetrain for the Roadster before Tesla decided to convert the electronics to digital and create their own proprietary powertrain.

I had the privilege of driving this unique car.  It was way ahead of its time with V2G (Vehicle to Grid) capability, and variable regenerative braking, and I found myself using the maximum setting rarely needing a brake pedal.

Driving the Tzero was much like my daily driver Roadster at the time. The car was nimble, responsive, and would pin you into the Recaro Racing Seats in a heartbeat.   The car generated attention and a myriad of questions wherever it went.

A humorous sidenote is that the Tzero’s sported a trailer hitch.  Although quite capable from a torque and power standpoint of towing, the purpose of the trailer hitch was to pull a 500 CC Kawasaki Engine Generator  to provide DC power in case the battery range was exhausted.  The trailer was called the “Long Ranger”.  While in use, any zero carbon advantage was of course erased.   This EV was designed in 1997, well before charging stations.

Another interesting Tzero event story is a run up Pikes Peak, for the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb, with a paved track measuring 12.42 miles.

Electric cars have featured on and off in the PPIHC since the early 1980s, and the Tzero set out to once again prove an EV could make the climb.  Reaching the summit was uneventful and the Tzero did a marvelous job of propelling itself up the 12 mile course, but depleted most of its charge needed for the descent.  A ranger station at the summit provided an AC outlet and the car was left to charge for a few hours.

Upon starting the descent, it became apparent the regenerative braking, which was fixed, would be active the entire way down, overcharging and boiling already top charged lead acid batteries.

To solve the dilemna, the driver spent the next two hours driving in circles in a summit parking lot to again discharge the batteries before making the descent.

Why are there two batteries in a Roadster?

The two batteries in a Roadster are a traction battery, or ESS pack which provides propulsion and range, and an instrumentation battery which supplies power to everything else, the displays, all interior electronics, door and trunk locks, window mechanisms, fans, seat heaters, headlights, signals, wiper motor, audio equipment, camera, etc.

You might ask why select a battery technology from 1859 in a state-of-the-art car that utilizes current Lithium Ion battery tech? The primary reason is that old school lead acid batteries will not freeze and can safely charge and discharge safely over an incredibly wide temperature range without being damaged. That’s not true of lithium chemistries.

This small instrumentation battery resides in a crawl space in the front passenger fender and was originally an Absorbent Glass Mat (AGM) Maintenance-Free Motorcycle battery.

Accessibility is poor and a higher grade AGM battery reduces replacement frequency. We recommend replacing this battery every two years with newer technology GPS Hi-Rate Series punch grid plate design batteries instead of the old cast grid plate Motorcycle style for maximum life and performance.


Roadsters sometimes lose their mind.

This can be caused by a number of factors including an instrumentation battery on its way out. As simple and effective system reboot is opening and closing the charge port door 7-10 times which often clears errors and allows you to get to a service center.

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Lesley

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Let me add. You guys are the rockstars of roadsters! Outstanding for your professional help during our post Ian issue. We ride again thanks to your excellence. Can’t thank you enough. 

Nathan Crider

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Making AZ the Roadster capital of the world.

Eric Simpson

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You folks at Gruber are making real a difference in the world of EV's and Tesla Roadsters.    

Thank you.  If people think Roadsters, they think  Gruber Motor company.   Pat your selves on the back Team Gruber.

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Yo M

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Great customer service, very happy with results of actually fixing my car and all of that was done remotely, thank you Peter and all the staff behind it.

Andy Bober

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Thanks again for the quick response, you have put my mind at ease for now.  Love the car and hope that I can enjoy at least another 5 years of fun driving in our Great state of AZ.

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Eric Simpson

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You are clearly a nice team at Gruber.  That comes across  in your emails, and on your YouTube videos.  You deserve your success.   Thanks from Eric from sunny Yorkshire UK.

DeVarrio R

DeVarrio R

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Took my car in for what was an emergency repair for me (100% cosmetic, but still needed, lol). Peter took my call and remarkably remembered me from an interaction that took place months ago. They were able to get my Model S in and make the needed repair. They are always helpful, informative, and punctual. I chose them over returning to Tesla for service. I would, and have, highly recommend them to anyone. Thanks Peter and Gruber Motors for helping me out!

Keith M

Keith M

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Just had a rear window adjusted and my touch screen replaced. Much more reasonable than going to Tesla. These guys did excellent work and return the car nice and clean and fully charged.

James J

James J

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Very professional! Great personality and service, very informative and most helpful, actually got to meet the man (Pete Gruber - Owner), techs were great, excellent office staff, knowledgeable and be friendly. Highly recommend, just stopped by and they were able to help immediately!!!

John R

John R

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My Model S was dead on a tow truck, and Gruber Motor Company answered the phone first try, and scheduled me right in for a battery replacement. Their Service Center looked beyond clean and organized.

Ryan Fulcher

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You guys rock!
Love what you do and that you share your restoration magic with the rest of us.

Yo M

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Their YouTube content has been extremely helpful, and the customer service over the phone is exceptional! Thank you Gruber folks!

Neal L

Neal L

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These guys do great work. No need to elaborate. I trust them wholeheartedly.

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You made my day!!!

Aaron M

Aaron M

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I walk into this establishment and the first thought that comes to mind is: "...so this is what heaven is like?" :-) I am so glad I found this company. The out of warranty repair services they performed on my 2013 Model S were absolutely superb. Peter has been a pleasure to work with. He has been kind and patient enough to answer my questions throughout the entire process. If you want repairs performed on your Tesla, do not hesitate to call Gruber Motors. Also! If you want to purchase parts or other components for your Tesla, they can help you as well! Thank you for to excellent work, professionalism, and value guys!

Terry A

Terry A

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This is a very cool place for Tesla's. I am on vacation in the Phoenix area and had to stop by to see what they are doing with Tesla's. I was very impressed with all of the first gen Tesla roadsters in their shop. Along with many Model S'. This is the only place I know of that works on Tesla's and they are repairing and having them re-certified by Tesla (misquoted) they resell them (in some instances). If you are in the Phoenix area stop by and check them out.

Amr

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Pete, you have my sincerest gratitude.

Honestly, I'm at a loss for words to how exceptional the service at Gruber Motors has been. My experience has been extremely positive. Aside from the great Roadster repair work performed, the fact you are allowing me to keep the car until it sells and going out of your way to help me sell it says volumes about your family and company.

I'm honored to support such a wonderful business and pray to see it thrive and grow beyond what it is today.

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David M

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Peter really took care of me when I had a problem with my Tesla Model S. Fixed fast and for a reasonable cost. This entire operation is top notch. I'm happy to have them as an alternative to factory service. Thanks!

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Peter Gruber is the boss when it comes to anything Tesla....

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Absolutely one of the coolest places I've ever been. Love the Roadster.

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This place provides such a one of a kind, unique experience. Thank you Gruber for all of your hard work.

Thomas Borjon

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Great service, great people, great parts.
 
I wish I would have had the money to reduce logging in my model s. Maybe next year.
 
Bought a battery for my ANCIENT 2012 Tesla. Very reasonable price, staff was well informed and knowledge. Nobody was wearing masks when I arrived, but everyone near me put one in when I walked in.
 
I'll be back to get my logging fixed! Until then, thanks for having the part in stock and providing it at a reasonable price. 

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